From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Tue May 2 14:48:26 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:48:26 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Changing venue for May's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <90fbd1c8-c6a1-1205-be6c-6f84d9efa2b0@geeklan.co.uk> Message-ID: <2980aff6-c704-49ab-6fd0-8bc4b1bf0cb1@geeklan.co.uk> On 25/04/2017 18:31, Vanderdenduur wrote: > Good evening Sevan, > > I think the one located right behind the Old Red Cow is interesting. > It's called ?Hand & Shears? ; it's less than 1' walk. The ground floor > is usually full of people, but the upstairs is accessible and is often > empty, even in the evening. It's a very large room and can easily > accommodate all the top-notch *BSD users. > > Cheers, > > Raf Thank for the recommendation, let's give it a try :) Sevan From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Tue May 2 14:57:06 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:57:06 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] May's London *BSD meetup - new venue Message-ID: <28b6c769-f19c-37c6-bfa9-6f326f67efeb@geeklan.co.uk> Hello, This months meeting will be at a new venue, in a pub called The Hand and Shears (it's around the corner from our regular venue). Monday the 22nd, 6:30 onwards?? The Hand & Shears 1 Middle Street Cloth Fair London EC1A 7JA Tel: 020 7600 0257 http://www.thehandandshears.co.uk Sevan From rvrnt at icloud.com Tue May 2 15:00:52 2017 From: rvrnt at icloud.com (Vanderdenduur) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 15:00:52 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] May's London *BSD meetup - new venue In-Reply-To: <28b6c769-f19c-37c6-bfa9-6f326f67efeb@geeklan.co.uk> References: <28b6c769-f19c-37c6-bfa9-6f326f67efeb@geeklan.co.uk> Message-ID: <88c88061-856a-057d-d051-ef3858365fef@icloud.com> Hi, good for me. Good week, Raf Le 02/05/2017 ? 14:57, Sevan Janiyan a ?crit : > Hello, > This months meeting will be at a new venue, in a pub called The Hand and > Shears (it's around the corner from our regular venue). > > Monday the 22nd, 6:30 onwards?? > > The Hand & Shears > 1 Middle Street > Cloth Fair > London > EC1A 7JA > Tel: 020 7600 0257 > http://www.thehandandshears.co.uk > > Sevan > _______________________________________________ > Ukfreebsd mailing list > Ukfreebsd at uk.freebsd.org > http://mailman.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ukfreebsd > UK BSD Groups http://www.bsdgroups.org.uk > Hosted by EXOnetric http://www.exonetric.net From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Tue May 2 20:52:59 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 20:52:59 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] pkgsrcCon 2017 - call for talk submission Message-ID: Hi all, This year, the annual pkgsrc developer conference is being held in London. The event is usually held over a weekend and is usually split over a day of talks and a day of hacking. At this years event, the Open Source Specialist Group[1] at the BCS have generously offered to host the day of talk which will take place on the first of July. While the primary focus of the day is pkgsrc, we welcome talks from other communities and projects who also deal with the challenge of building a large body of open source software. Last year the FreeBSD project was represented by Mariusz Zaborski who spoke about ZFS support. I would like to continue with the theme this year and ask if anyone would like to give a talk on 01/07/2017 in London to send me your submission off-list, with a title & brief description. There will be another announcement later with the details for general attendees. Regards Sevan Janiyan From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Mon May 15 19:35:58 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 19:35:58 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] FreeBSD on laptops Message-ID: <43e2e322-1675-2e7d-b31c-e77402a49771@geeklan.co.uk> Hello, In the past meetings we've discussed FreeBSD on laptops & Martin wrote up his experience with FreeBSD on the Dell XPS laptop. Over the weekend I ditched OS X on my MacBook Air and switched to FreeBSD-STABLE. It's not as seamless as Martin's experience but I'm very impressed. On my to do list is to find out if I can replace the Broadcom wireless adapter with something else. Resume from sleep is for the weak! I wrote up a post about it here: https://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=2214 Sevan From rvrnt at use.startmail.com Sun May 21 15:57:41 2017 From: rvrnt at use.startmail.com (Mr Vanderdenduur) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:57:41 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] May's London *BSD meetup - new venue In-Reply-To: <28b6c769-f19c-37c6-bfa9-6f326f67efeb@geeklan.co.uk> References: <28b6c769-f19c-37c6-bfa9-6f326f67efeb@geeklan.co.uk> Message-ID: Still effective? Thanks. Raf Le 02/05/2017 ? 14:57, Sevan Janiyan a ?crit : > Hello, > This months meeting will be at a new venue, in a pub called The Hand and > Shears (it's around the corner from our regular venue). > > Monday the 22nd, 6:30 onwards?? > > The Hand & Shears > 1 Middle Street > Cloth Fair > London > EC1A 7JA > Tel: 020 7600 0257 > http://www.thehandandshears.co.uk > > Sevan > _______________________________________________ > Ukfreebsd mailing list > Ukfreebsd at uk.freebsd.org > http://mailman.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ukfreebsd > UK BSD Groups http://www.bsdgroups.org.uk > Hosted by EXOnetric http://www.exonetric.net From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Sun May 21 16:58:07 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 16:58:07 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] May's London *BSD meetup - new venue In-Reply-To: References: <28b6c769-f19c-37c6-bfa9-6f326f67efeb@geeklan.co.uk> Message-ID: On 21/05/2017 15:57, Mr Vanderdenduur wrote: > Still effective? Yes, hopefully see you tomorrow, if you can make it. :) Sevan From vsevolod at FreeBSD.org Sun May 21 16:59:50 2017 From: vsevolod at FreeBSD.org (Vsevolod Stakhov) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 16:59:50 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] May's London *BSD meetup - new venue In-Reply-To: References: <28b6c769-f19c-37c6-bfa9-6f326f67efeb@geeklan.co.uk> Message-ID: <229019f4-50d2-bdb4-ed19-46ac13e87538@FreeBSD.org> On 21/05/17 16:58, Sevan Janiyan wrote: > On 21/05/2017 15:57, Mr Vanderdenduur wrote: >> Still effective? > > > Yes, hopefully see you tomorrow, if you can make it. :) By the way, is anybody going to visit Cambridge Beer Festival [1] next week? [1]: https://www.cambridgebeerfestival.com/ From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Wed May 24 12:31:54 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:31:54 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting Message-ID: Undefined Behaviour in 2017 http://www.cs.utah.edu/~regehr/ub-2017-qualcomm.pdf https://qct-qualcomm.secure.force.com/QCTConference/GenericSitePage?eventname=2017Security&page=Summit%20Information Theo is being harassed http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=149532438309321&w=2 Rust vs web assembly vs `something else I?ve now forgotten`, which one will save the day this year "Mozilla?s development Rust could potentially be as revolutionary as Xul" On the road of getting rid of OS X FreeBSD on Laptops NetBSD embedded workshop Lua improvements including new bindings in NetBSD pkgsrcCon talks - *still looking for talks if anyone is interested* A laptop for running each operating system reffit - EFI boot manager TrueOS improvements and oddities npf - Not^W NetBSD Packet Filter npf scripting with Lua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4nH6DtwHOk Mixing ports and packages on FreeBSD Tracking the stable FreeBSD ports branch Fast machine to turn around full builds rapidly for testing non qwerty keyboard layout & disk encryption password issues in FreeBSD New pub was great, thank you for the recommendation, Raf :) Sevan From rvrnt at use.startmail.com Wed May 24 12:59:05 2017 From: rvrnt at use.startmail.com (Mr Vanderdenduur) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:59:05 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e87a34b-a6f0-72f9-b6bc-613dcb3ce867@use.startmail.com> No problem at all. I like giving profitable recommendations? Can't wait to see you all next month. Super month/ events to all BSD users. Raf Le 24/05/2017 ? 12:31, Sevan Janiyan a ?crit : > New pub was great, thank you for the recommendation, Raf:) > > Sevan From David.Chisnall at cl.cam.ac.uk Wed May 24 12:50:41 2017 From: David.Chisnall at cl.cam.ac.uk (David Chisnall) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:50:41 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 May 2017, at 12:31, Sevan Janiyan wrote: > > "Mozilla?s development Rust could potentially be as revolutionary as Xul? Ouch, that?s harsh! > On the road of getting rid of OS X That one?s easy: install macOS instead! David From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Wed May 24 16:21:19 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:21:19 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 05/24/17 12:50, David Chisnall wrote: > That one?s easy: install macOS instead! Surely you mean PureDarwin! :o) Interestingly, neither myself or the other person made the Sierra upgrade. Sevan From theraven at FreeBSD.org Wed May 24 16:39:15 2017 From: theraven at FreeBSD.org (David Chisnall) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:39:15 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0005DD1C-3FC6-4F71-AA5C-4F0740759729@FreeBSD.org> On 24 May 2017, at 16:21, Sevan Janiyan wrote: > > > > On 05/24/17 12:50, David Chisnall wrote: >> That one?s easy: install macOS instead! > > Surely you mean PureDarwin! :o) Unfortunately, the sound subsystem is one of the things that you lose if you do that. > Interestingly, neither myself or the other person made the Sierra upgrade. I haven?t yet either. No compelling new features and 10.11 works fine. Maybe 10.13 will add something I care about instead of more cruft that I have to disable... David From theraven at FreeBSD.org Thu May 25 11:28:36 2017 From: theraven at FreeBSD.org (David Chisnall) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:28:36 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting In-Reply-To: <0005DD1C-3FC6-4F71-AA5C-4F0740759729@FreeBSD.org> References: <0005DD1C-3FC6-4F71-AA5C-4F0740759729@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: On 24 May 2017, at 16:39, David Chisnall wrote: > >> Interestingly, neither myself or the other person made the Sierra upgrade. > > I haven?t yet either. No compelling new features and 10.11 works fine. Maybe 10.13 will add something I care about instead of more cruft that I have to disable? Prompted by this, I decided to try updating last night. So far: - The intermittent bug in Mail.app where it forgets how to find the flag icons and so just writes ?red? in the flag column is still there. - The issue with TextEdit that caused it to spontaneously terminate appears to be fixed. I think something was a bit too aggressive with the sudden termination stuff - I never lost data, but it was annoying that it would exit after about 30 seconds. Now it?s actually useable again. - Clipboard sharing with my iPad sounds really useful? if only I could figure out how to get it to work. - Killing off ObjC GC made me happy. I should probably do the same thing for the GNUstep runtime - it was a terrible idea from the start. - Removing 'time remaining? from the battery indicator is annoying. It wasn?t 100% accurate, but it was a pretty good hint. - iTunes ability to talk to an iPad via WiFi (no cable) seems a lot more reliable (i.e. actually works at all). I just ran a backup via WiFi and it actually worked, for the first time ever. - Turning off all of the iCloud / Siri nonsense is nice and easy. - Apple?s new FS is still experimental (though it is now the default for iOS). Other things I?ve learned recently: - It turns out IMAP notes still work on both macOS and iOS notes, you just need to enable them via the accounts setting for the mail account (not exactly intuitive, but it works). All in all, a pretty underwhelming update. I?ve not really noticed any difference (and I?d already updated GitX, the one app formerly using ObjC GC). The last update that had as little by way of user-visible improvement was 10.6, and that at least improved performance noticeably. On the plus side, nothing is noticeably worse either... David From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Thu May 25 15:36:24 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 15:36:24 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <0005DD1C-3FC6-4F71-AA5C-4F0740759729@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <5c0b5674-6449-cff2-aee5-0cb79ecc1bcc@geeklan.co.uk> On 05/25/17 11:28, David Chisnall wrote: > - The issue with TextEdit that caused it to spontaneously terminate appears to be fixed. I think something was a bit too aggressive with the sudden termination stuff - I never lost data, but it was annoying that it would exit after about 30 seconds. Now it?s actually useable again. Super annoying, for me it would show up after a system crash. > - It turns out IMAP notes still work on both macOS and iOS notes, you just need to enable them via the accounts setting for the mail account (not exactly intuitive, but it works). > > All in all, a pretty underwhelming update. I?ve not really noticed any difference (and I?d already updated GitX, the one app formerly using ObjC GC). The last update that had as little by way of user-visible improvement was 10.6, and that at least improved performance noticeably. On the plus side, nothing is noticeably worse either... 10.6 was an excellent release :) Sevan From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Tue May 30 15:45:03 2017 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:45:03 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] June's Meeting Message-ID: Hi folks, Mid June we will have NetBSD developer, Thomas Klausner visiting London for a brief time. I was wondering what preference/objection people had about meeting on Friday the 16th or Saturday the 17th of June? Sevan From dot at dotat.at Tue May 30 18:59:23 2017 From: dot at dotat.at (Tony Finch) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:59:23 +0100 Subject: [Ukfreebsd] Notes from Monday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <0005DD1C-3FC6-4F71-AA5C-4F0740759729@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: David Chisnall wrote: > On 24 May 2017, at 16:39, David Chisnall wrote: > > > > I haven?t yet either. No compelling new features and 10.11 works > > fine. I have a late 2008 aluminium macbook which can't run 10.12 :-/ > - Removing 'time remaining? from the battery indicator is annoying. > It wasn?t 100% accurate, but it was a pretty good hint. Hammerspoon is fun for fixing things like this :-) Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch http://dotat.at/ - I xn--zr8h punycode North Irish Sea: Northwesterly 5 or 6 becoming variable 3, then southeasterly 4 or 5 later. Slight, occasionally moderate at first. Fair. Good.