Freebsd-users digest, Vol 1 #2144 - 10 msgs

ed joyce edjoycearthurnet at yahoo.co.uk
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Hi Dominic,
 
 I did a couple of hundred moves at C&W. I can only speak for the telecoms side of things. The main mistake that I saw was that companies did not realise the lead times required for telecommunications services so that when the date got near they got into a panic because there was no digital local loop in their premises.
 
 If you want to call me my number is 02089599070. I am still actively involved in this area although we don't deal directly with such large  customers.
 Ed Joyce
 
 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)
   2. RE: Question: Moving an Office (Martin.Hepworth)
   3. RE: Question: Moving an Office (Spadge Fromley)
   4. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)
   5. Re: Question: Moving an Office (arb at aaa-comms.com)
   6. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)
   7. Re: devel/p5-PAR-Packer (Progga)
   8. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Stefan Bethke)
   9. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)
  10. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Sam Smith)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:38:54 +0000
From: Dominic Marks 
To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
Subject: Question: Moving an Office

List,

I'm currently preparing to move our Company into a new
premises. As I have not done a move on this scale before I
thought I'd try and mine this list for good tips in case there
are things I have not thought of.

Does anyone have any good advice for preparing for this? Or
perhaps you have a good story about what not to do. Whatever
information you'd like to share I would very much like to hear
it.

Background:

I've got to move all our servers & PCs, about 100 systems in
all. We host all our public servers at our Office so I have
that to deal with as well. The new premises has no equipment or
even a comms room built yet so advice on that front is also
most welcome.

Cheers.
Dominic


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Message: 2
Subject: RE: Question: Moving an Office
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:47:36 +0000
From: "Martin.Hepworth" 
To: "Dominic Marks" ,
 "freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org" 

Dominic

Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales
etc.

NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!

Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan
again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with
weight on any Racks you plan to install...

The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is
very good on server room design as well..


--
Martin Hepworth
Snr Systems Administrator
Solid State Logic
Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300

> -----Original Message-----
> From: freebsd-users-admin at uk.freebsd.org [mailto:freebsd-users-
> admin at uk.freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Dominic Marks
> Sent: 08 January 2007 14:39
> To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
> Subject: Question: Moving an Office
>
> List,
>
> I'm currently preparing to move our Company into a new
> premises. As I have not done a move on this scale before I
> thought I'd try and mine this list for good tips in case there
> are things I have not thought of.
>
> Does anyone have any good advice for preparing for this? Or
> perhaps you have a good story about what not to do. Whatever
> information you'd like to share I would very much like to hear
> it.
>
> Background:
>
> I've got to move all our servers & PCs, about 100 systems in
> all. We host all our public servers at our Office so I have
> that to deal with as well. The new premises has no equipment or
> even a comms room built yet so advice on that front is also
> most welcome.
>
> Cheers.
> Dominic
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:25:16 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: RE: Question: Moving an Office
From: "Spadge Fromley" 
To: "Dominic Marks" 
Cc: "freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org" 


> Dominic
>
> Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales
> etc.
>
> NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!
>
> Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan
> again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with
> weight on any Racks you plan to install...
>
> The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is
> very good on server room design as well..

Yeah, I just asked someone (on IRC, hence the appalling punctuation and
grammar) who I know has recently been through all this, and his response
was:

"Where to start ... moving office is dead easy as long as you do several
things :D
the most important, unusually, is checking all the cabling before you move.
does it all work, do you have enough switches, what about cat5 cables, etc
The rest is just a matter of logistics
if your servers are in a wheeled rack, just wheel it into place. It
shouldn't stop working
A comms room just needs two things: Raised Floor and Air Conditioning.
Anything else is a bonus"

good luck with the move :)

-- 
Spadge
'Intoccabile'



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:33:06 +0000
From: Dominic Marks 
To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:47:36 +0000
"Martin.Hepworth"  wrote:

> Dominic
> 
> Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales
> etc.
>
> NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!

Indeed. It is going to take 35 at best for us! I am having ADSL
installed as well at the new site to give us a little more
capacity.

> Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan
> again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with
> weight on any Racks you plan to install...

I wouldn't have thought about the weight issue. Time to add
that to my check list.

> The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is
> very good on server room design as well..

Thank you. I'll order this now.

Dominic


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Message: 5
From: arb at aaa-comms.com
To: "Dominic Marks" ,
 freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:34:04 +0000
Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office

For a start the best thing to have is just a dose of common sense :), as yo=
u are a freebsd lover this more than likely came naturally at birth so your=
 safe :D This is in a general sort of order and is not inclusive. This is a=
lso a perfect time to sort out all of those little grips you may have (clea=
rly labeled cables / tidy patching / hidden cables)

1) Get a floor plan.
2) Transfer your existing infrastructure onto the floor plan. (seats desks =
the lot)
3) Add all of your electrical / RJ11 / RJ45 traps / runs to the diagram
4) Decide where the server room will be.
5) Are you replacing ? or transferring existing Com's ?
6) Check all of your warranties on major equipment, you may have to call in=
 the supplier to decommission / recommission specific equipment.
7) Contact your network provider and get the line in and checked PRIOR to a=
ny move.
8) Get the phone company in and work with them on the transfer of any ISDN =
30 etc feeds you have for the phones.
9) If you are doing any structured cabling i.e. raised floors / traps / con=
duit then you would do well to get in a cable laying outfit. Double up on m=
ajor runs, get a test report for each run.
10) Get in and check the Internet and general connectivity directly
11) Build up the server room / area.
12) Get a move check list together : containing and this is not inclusive :
     * Desks
     * Phones
     * Cables
     * Anything that you will take
Mark where it is going from and where it is going to.

13) Make the users responsible for there desk area, provide removal storage=
 containers with labels for them to pack into (keep them informed -- let th=
em know early)

14) Unless you intend to get the users to do the move, involve a reputable =
removal company (check their and your insurance cover), they will need a co=
py of your existing floor plan and the target environment with the layout.

Any questions let me know, I have done this so many times now it sort of fa=
lls into place.

Regards Richard


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dominic Marks" 
> To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
> Subject: Question: Moving an Office
> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:38:54 +0000
>=20
>=20
> List,
>=20
> I'm currently preparing to move our Company into a new
> premises. As I have not done a move on this scale before I
> thought I'd try and mine this list for good tips in case there
> are things I have not thought of.
>=20
> Does anyone have any good advice for preparing for this? Or
> perhaps you have a good story about what not to do. Whatever
> information you'd like to share I would very much like to hear
> it.
>=20
> Background:
>=20
> I've got to move all our servers & PCs, about 100 systems in
> all. We host all our public servers at our Office so I have
> that to deal with as well. The new premises has no equipment or
> even a comms room built yet so advice on that front is also
> most welcome.
>=20
> Cheers.
> Dominic
>=20
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:35:02 +0000
From: Dominic Marks 
To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:25:16 -0000 (UTC)
"Spadge Fromley"  wrote:

> 
> > Dominic
> >
> > Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales
> > etc.
> >
> > NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!
> >
> > Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan
> > again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with
> > weight on any Racks you plan to install...
> >
> > The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is
> > very good on server room design as well..
> 
> Yeah, I just asked someone (on IRC, hence the appalling punctuation and
> grammar) who I know has recently been through all this, and his response
> was:
> 
> "Where to start ... moving office is dead easy as long as you do several
> things :D
> the most important, unusually, is checking all the cabling before you move.
> does it all work, do you have enough switches, what about cat5 cables, etc
> The rest is just a matter of logistics
> if your servers are in a wheeled rack, just wheel it into place. It
> shouldn't stop working
> A comms room just needs two things: Raised Floor and Air Conditioning.
> Anything else is a bonus"

I can hope...

My main problem is that our current comms room is so totally
unfit for the task, but that is a whole other story...

> good luck with the move :)

Thanks!

Dominic


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:09:16 +0000
To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
Subject: Re: devel/p5-PAR-Packer
From: Progga 



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On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 11:28:46PM +0000, Spadge wrote:

> >Would someone please do me a favour by confirming if devel/p5-PAR-Packer=
 is
> >broken or not in his/her box.  TIA.
> >
> >
> Erm, in what way? Installing from ports, or running?
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D>   Compressing manual pages for p5-PAR-Packer-0.97.0
> =3D=3D=3D>   Registering installation for p5-PAR-Packer-0.97.0

Thanks :-(

This means my system has become such a mess from use of both cpan and the p=
ort
that I have some good cleaning work to do and I have no idea how to do that=
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Message: 8
Cc: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
From: Stefan Bethke 
Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:28:55 +0100
To: Dominic Marks 

Very good advice so far, the only thing I can add from my last office  
move (24 desks plus 40 dev. and production servers) from one floor of  
the building to another: make sure equipment fits through doors.   
Although we had planned the main distribution room meticuously,  
including exact placement of the rack (make sure the door opens  
fully), size of conduits for the data cables etc., we had to break  
off moving the main rack since it didn't fit through the door of the  
new room.  Luckily, we could find the right hex bit at a nearby store  
the next morning, take the rack apart outside and finish installing  
it before the work day started, but we sure felt stupid :-)

Good luck,
Stefan



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:05:20 +0000
From: Dominic Marks 
To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:28:55 +0100
Stefan Bethke  wrote:

> Very good advice so far, the only thing I can add from my last office  
> move (24 desks plus 40 dev. and production servers) from one floor of  
> the building to another: make sure equipment fits through doors.   
> Although we had planned the main distribution room meticuously,  
> including exact placement of the rack (make sure the door opens  
> fully), size of conduits for the data cables etc., we had to break  
> off moving the main rack since it didn't fit through the door of the  
> new room.  Luckily, we could find the right hex bit at a nearby store  
> the next morning, take the rack apart outside and finish installing  
> it before the work day started, but we sure felt stupid :-)

:-)

The current racks won't fit out of the door of our existing
room. Only have access to the front of them as well, otherwise
they are squeezed in completely tight.

Getting them out is going to be  etc ...

Oh hum. At least I get a chance to fix the mistakes of those
who went before me this time!

[Who is currently reading the book suggested yesterday, Thanks
everyone really appreciate it]

> Good luck,
> Stefan

Dom


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:27:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: Sam Smith 
To: Dominic Marks 
Cc: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Dominic Marks wrote:
> The current racks won't fit out of the door of our existing
> room. Only have access to the front of them as well, otherwise
> they are squeezed in completely tight.

Sounds like a good excuse^W reason to buy new kit




Sam

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Hi Dominic,<br> <br> I did a couple of hundred moves at C&amp;W. I can only speak for the telecoms side of things. The main mistake that I saw was that companies did not realise the lead times required for telecommunications services so that when the date got near they got into a panic because there was no digital local loop in their premises.<br> <br> If you want to call me my number is 02089599070. I am still actively involved in this area although we don't deal directly with such large&nbsp; customers.<br> Ed Joyce<br> <br> <br><br><b><i>freebsd-users-request at uk.freebsd.org</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Send Freebsd-users mailing list submissions to<br> freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://listserver.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'
 to<br> freebsd-users-request at uk.freebsd.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> freebsd-users-admin at uk.freebsd.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Freebsd-users digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>   1. Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)<br>   2. RE: Question: Moving an Office (Martin.Hepworth)<br>   3. RE: Question: Moving an Office (Spadge Fromley)<br>   4. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)<br>   5. Re: Question: Moving an Office (arb at aaa-comms.com)<br>   6. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)<br>   7. Re: devel/p5-PAR-Packer (Progga)<br>   8. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Stefan Bethke)<br>   9. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Dominic Marks)<br>  10. Re: Question: Moving an Office (Sam Smith)<br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:38:54 +0000<br>From: Dominic Marks <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br>To:
 freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>Subject: Question: Moving an Office<br><br>List,<br><br>I'm currently preparing to move our Company into a new<br>premises. As I have not done a move on this scale before I<br>thought I'd try and mine this list for good tips in case there<br>are things I have not thought of.<br><br>Does anyone have any good advice for preparing for this? Or<br>perhaps you have a good story about what not to do. Whatever<br>information you'd like to share I would very much like to hear<br>it.<br><br>Background:<br><br>I've got to move all our servers &amp; PCs, about 100 systems in<br>all. We host all our public servers at our Office so I have<br>that to deal with as well. The new premises has no equipment or<br>even a comms room built yet so advice on that front is also<br>most welcome.<br><br>Cheers.<br>Dominic<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 2<br>Subject: RE: Question: Moving an Office<br>Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:47:36 +0000<br>From:
 "Martin.Hepworth" <martinh @solidstatelogic.com=""><br>To: "Dominic Marks" <dom @helenmarks.co.uk="">,<br> "freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org" <freebsd-users @uk.freebsd.org=""><br><br>Dominic<br><br>Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales<br>etc.<br><br>NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!<br><br>Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan<br>again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with<br>weight on any Racks you plan to install...<br><br>The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is<br>very good on server room design as well..<br><br><br>--<br>Martin Hepworth<br>Snr Systems Administrator<br>Solid State Logic<br>Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300<br><br>&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>&gt; From: freebsd-users-admin at uk.freebsd.org [mailto:freebsd-users-<br>&gt; admin at uk.freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Dominic Marks<br>&gt; Sent: 08 January 2007
 14:39<br>&gt; To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>&gt; Subject: Question: Moving an Office<br>&gt;<br>&gt; List,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I'm currently preparing to move our Company into a new<br>&gt; premises. As I have not done a move on this scale before I<br>&gt; thought I'd try and mine this list for good tips in case there<br>&gt; are things I have not thought of.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Does anyone have any good advice for preparing for this? Or<br>&gt; perhaps you have a good story about what not to do. Whatever<br>&gt; information you'd like to share I would very much like to hear<br>&gt; it.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Background:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I've got to move all our servers &amp; PCs, about 100 systems in<br>&gt; all. We host all our public servers at our Office so I have<br>&gt; that to deal with as well. The new premises has no equipment or<br>&gt; even a comms room built yet so advice on that front is also<br>&gt; most welcome.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Cheers.<br>&gt; Dominic<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
 ------ FreeBSD UK Users' Group  -  Mailing List ------<br>&gt; http://listserver.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users<br><br><br><br><br>**********************************************************************<br><br>This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and<br>intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they<br>are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify<br>the system manager.<br><br>This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept<br>for the presence of computer viruses and is believed to be clean.=09<br><br>**********************************************************************<br><br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:25:16 -0000 (UTC)<br>Subject: RE: Question: Moving an Office<br>From: "Spadge Fromley" <spadge @fromley.net=""><br>To: "Dominic Marks" <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br>Cc: "freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org" <freebsd-users
 @uk.freebsd.org=""><br><br><br>&gt; Dominic<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales<br>&gt; etc.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan<br>&gt; again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with<br>&gt; weight on any Racks you plan to install...<br>&gt;<br>&gt; The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is<br>&gt; very good on server room design as well..<br><br>Yeah, I just asked someone (on IRC, hence the appalling punctuation and<br>grammar) who I know has recently been through all this, and his response<br>was:<br><br>"Where to start ... moving office is dead easy as long as you do several<br>things :D<br>the most important, unusually, is checking all the cabling before you move.<br>does it all work, do you have enough switches, what about
 cat5 cables, etc<br>The rest is just a matter of logistics<br>if your servers are in a wheeled rack, just wheel it into place. It<br>shouldn't stop working<br>A comms room just needs two things: Raised Floor and Air Conditioning.<br>Anything else is a bonus"<br><br>good luck with the move :)<br><br>-- <br>Spadge<br>'Intoccabile'<br><br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:33:06 +0000<br>From: Dominic Marks <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br>To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office<br><br>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:47:36 +0000<br>"Martin.Hepworth" <martinh @solidstatelogic.com=""> wrote:<br><br>&gt; Dominic<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales<br>&gt; etc.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!<br><br>Indeed. It is going to take 35 at best for us! I am having ADSL<br>installed as well at the new site to give us a little
 more<br>capacity.<br><br>&gt; Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan<br>&gt; again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with<br>&gt; weight on any Racks you plan to install...<br><br>I wouldn't have thought about the weight issue. Time to add<br>that to my check list.<br><br>&gt; The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is<br>&gt; very good on server room design as well..<br><br>Thank you. I'll order this now.<br><br>Dominic<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 5<br>From: arb at aaa-comms.com<br>To: "Dominic Marks" <dom @helenmarks.co.uk="">,<br> freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:34:04 +0000<br>Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office<br><br>For a start the best thing to have is just a dose of common sense :), as yo=<br>u are a freebsd lover this more than likely came naturally at birth so your=<br> safe :D This is in a general sort of order and is not inclusive.
 This is a=<br>lso a perfect time to sort out all of those little grips you may have (clea=<br>rly labeled cables / tidy patching / hidden cables)<br><br>1) Get a floor plan.<br>2) Transfer your existing infrastructure onto the floor plan. (seats desks =<br>the lot)<br>3) Add all of your electrical / RJ11 / RJ45 traps / runs to the diagram<br>4) Decide where the server room will be.<br>5) Are you replacing ? or transferring existing Com's ?<br>6) Check all of your warranties on major equipment, you may have to call in=<br> the supplier to decommission / recommission specific equipment.<br>7) Contact your network provider and get the line in and checked PRIOR to a=<br>ny move.<br>8) Get the phone company in and work with them on the transfer of any ISDN =<br>30 etc feeds you have for the phones.<br>9) If you are doing any structured cabling i.e. raised floors / traps / con=<br>duit then you would do well to get in a cable laying outfit. Double up on m=<br>ajor runs, get a
 test report for each run.<br>10) Get in and check the Internet and general connectivity directly<br>11) Build up the server room / area.<br>12) Get a move check list together : containing and this is not inclusive :<br>     * Desks<br>     * Phones<br>     * Cables<br>     * Anything that you will take<br>Mark where it is going from and where it is going to.<br><br>13) Make the users responsible for there desk area, provide removal storage=<br> containers with labels for them to pack into (keep them informed -- let th=<br>em know early)<br><br>14) Unless you intend to get the users to do the move, involve a reputable =<br>removal company (check their and your insurance cover), they will need a co=<br>py of your existing floor plan and the target environment with the layout.<br><br>Any questions let me know, I have done this so many times now it sort of fa=<br>lls into place.<br><br>Regards Richard<br><br><br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt; From: "Dominic Marks"
 <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br>&gt; To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>&gt; Subject: Question: Moving an Office<br>&gt; Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:38:54 +0000<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; List,<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; I'm currently preparing to move our Company into a new<br>&gt; premises. As I have not done a move on this scale before I<br>&gt; thought I'd try and mine this list for good tips in case there<br>&gt; are things I have not thought of.<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; Does anyone have any good advice for preparing for this? Or<br>&gt; perhaps you have a good story about what not to do. Whatever<br>&gt; information you'd like to share I would very much like to hear<br>&gt; it.<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; Background:<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; I've got to move all our servers &amp; PCs, about 100 systems in<br>&gt; all. We host all our public servers at our Office so I have<br>&gt; that to deal with as well. The new premises has no equipment or<br>&gt; even a comms room built yet so advice on that
 front is also<br>&gt; most welcome.<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; Cheers.<br>&gt; Dominic<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; ------ FreeBSD UK Users' Group  -  Mailing List ------<br>&gt; http://listserver.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users<br><br>&gt;<br><br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:35:02 +0000<br>From: Dominic Marks <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br>To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office<br><br>On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:25:16 -0000 (UTC)<br>"Spadge Fromley" <spadge @fromley.net=""> wrote:<br><br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Dominic<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Lots and lots of planning - make sure everyone is aware of timescales<br>&gt; &gt; etc.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; NB getting a leased line moved can be anywhere up to 50 WORKING days!!<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Design the comms/server room with plant of space and plan, plan and plan<br>&gt; &gt; again...make sure you've got enough power/A/C and theres no isssues with<br>&gt;
 &gt; weight on any Racks you plan to install...<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; The Practice of System and network Administration (ISBN 0-201-7071-1) is<br>&gt; &gt; very good on server room design as well..<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Yeah, I just asked someone (on IRC, hence the appalling punctuation and<br>&gt; grammar) who I know has recently been through all this, and his response<br>&gt; was:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; "Where to start ... moving office is dead easy as long as you do several<br>&gt; things :D<br>&gt; the most important, unusually, is checking all the cabling before you move.<br>&gt; does it all work, do you have enough switches, what about cat5 cables, etc<br>&gt; The rest is just a matter of logistics<br>&gt; if your servers are in a wheeled rack, just wheel it into place. It<br>&gt; shouldn't stop working<br>&gt; A comms room just needs two things: Raised Floor and Air Conditioning.<br>&gt; Anything else is a bonus"<br><br>I can hope...<br><br>My main problem is that our
 current comms room is so totally<br>unfit for the task, but that is a whole other story...<br><br>&gt; good luck with the move :)<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Dominic<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:09:16 +0000<br>To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>Subject: Re: devel/p5-PAR-Packer<br>From: Progga <progga @bengalinux.org=""><br><br><br>--C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>Content-Disposition: inline<br>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br><br>On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 11:28:46PM +0000, Spadge wrote:<br><br>&gt; &gt;Would someone please do me a favour by confirming if devel/p5-PAR-Packer=<br> is<br>&gt; &gt;broken or not in his/her box.  TIA.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; Erm, in what way? Installing from ports, or running?<br>&gt;=20<br>&gt; =3D=3D=3D&gt;   Compressing manual pages for p5-PAR-Packer-0.97.0<br>&gt; =3D=3D=3D&gt;   Registering installation for p5-PAR-Packer-0.97.0<br><br>Thanks
 :-(<br><br>This means my system has become such a mess from use of both cpan and the p=<br>ort<br>that I have some good cleaning work to do and I have no idea how to do that=<br> :-(<br><br><br>--C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc<br>Content-Type: application/pgp-signature<br>Content-Disposition: inline<br><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD)<br><br>iD8DBQFFosEMAjLUsitphWkRAuELAKC0zcPcQX7rAf9rbNjQJ9RqauwSBwCgs2ex<br>nAdwC2oSsAJRsEccWwPli8Q=<br>=TWe7<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br><br>--C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc--<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 8<br>Cc: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>From: Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke @hanse.de=""><br>Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office<br>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:28:55 +0100<br>To: Dominic Marks <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br><br>Very good advice so far, the only thing I can add from my last office  <br>move (24 desks plus 40 dev. and production servers) from one floor of  <br>the building to another: make sure equipment
 fits through doors.   <br>Although we had planned the main distribution room meticuously,  <br>including exact placement of the rack (make sure the door opens  <br>fully), size of conduits for the data cables etc., we had to break  <br>off moving the main rack since it didn't fit through the door of the  <br>new room.  Luckily, we could find the right hex bit at a nearby store  <br>the next morning, take the rack apart outside and finish installing  <br>it before the work day started, but we sure felt stupid :-)<br><br>Good luck,<br>Stefan<br><br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 9<br>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:05:20 +0000<br>From: Dominic Marks <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br>To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office<br><br>On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:28:55 +0100<br>Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke @hanse.de=""> wrote:<br><br>&gt; Very good advice so far, the only thing I can add from my last office  <br>&gt; move (24 desks plus 40 dev. and production
 servers) from one floor of  <br>&gt; the building to another: make sure equipment fits through doors.   <br>&gt; Although we had planned the main distribution room meticuously,  <br>&gt; including exact placement of the rack (make sure the door opens  <br>&gt; fully), size of conduits for the data cables etc., we had to break  <br>&gt; off moving the main rack since it didn't fit through the door of the  <br>&gt; new room.  Luckily, we could find the right hex bit at a nearby store  <br>&gt; the next morning, take the rack apart outside and finish installing  <br>&gt; it before the work day started, but we sure felt stupid :-)<br><br>:-)<br><br>The current racks won't fit out of the door of our existing<br>room. Only have access to the front of them as well, otherwise<br>they are squeezed in completely tight.<br><br>Getting them out is going to be <bad words=""> etc ...<br><br>Oh hum. At least I get a chance to fix the mistakes of those<br>who went before me this
 time!<br><br>[Who is currently reading the book suggested yesterday, Thanks<br>everyone really appreciate it]<br><br>&gt; Good luck,<br>&gt; Stefan<br><br>Dom<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 10<br>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:27:42 +0000 (GMT)<br>From: Sam Smith <s @msmith.net=""><br>To: Dominic Marks <dom @helenmarks.co.uk=""><br>Cc: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<br>Subject: Re: Question: Moving an Office<br><br>On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Dominic Marks wrote:<br>&gt; The current racks won't fit out of the door of our existing<br>&gt; room. Only have access to the front of them as well, otherwise<br>&gt; they are squeezed in completely tight.<br><br>Sounds like a good excuse^W reason to buy new kit<br><br><br><br><br>Sam<br><br>-- <br>Blame: The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures<br><br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>------ FreeBSD UK User's Group  -  Mailing List ------<br>http://listserver.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users<br><br>End of
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