Freebsd-users digest, Vol 1 #1943 - 10 msgs

ed joyce edjoycearthurnet at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Jan 24 00:37:23 GMT 2006


To Derrin,

I have quite a lot of experience at running FreeBSD as
a desktop machine. I am typing this on a 5.3 machine.
The key to using FreeBSD is this (IMHO)

Don't try to use VMWare or dual booting, it's hard
enough without all that. Specifically when you dual
boot you get problems with the Windows side - this is
only based on experience if you know what you are
doing then it might be different. With VMWare you need
a lot of RAM and it costs money - use that money for a
new machine. What you should do is get another
computer for about £200 from cclonline.com - and try
to install on that. If that doesn't work then install
Windows on the new machine and try to put FreeBSD on
the old machine. If that doesn't work you are stuck,
however generally you can get X-Windows going
somewhere but might not be able to get a good
resolution, however once you get familiar with the
system it gets easier to get your head around the
problems.  Make sure that you have the motherboard
drivers so that you have a reversion path and can
reinstall Windows if it doesn't work. This is because
you have a lot more chance of installing X Windows on
an old machine.

When you try to install the big issue is navigating
the arcane installation of X-Windows. You will
probably need a hand. TWM comes with the machine - you
can get started with that if you get X Windows going.
Then use sysinstall to install gedit and mozilla and
you are away.

Why is FreeBSD better as a desktop ?

What I have is a Windows laptop with a FreeBSD
desktop/server running a window manager I built myself
from TWM and TCL/Tk. The laptop is used for a mobile
broadband datacard to support Mozilla as a browser to
the dektop-server when out of the office. Every
document that I write is available when I am out. Also
I can get my secretary in Luton to print out and
modify documents without e-mail. Also I don't get
viruses because I never surf the net on the Windows
machine. The Windows machine always works because it
doesn't get hammered and the FBSD machine works
because it can take a hammering. I don't know anyone
who has a Windows machine however well protected that
can surf the net freely, with FBSD you don't get Flash
or Real Player but you can surf the net without
worrying. This is the killer app that makes using this
combo such a pleasure. It allows Windows to function
which it is incapable of doing effectively without a
separate Unix  box (even Chairman Bill gets viruses
apparently - and occasionally raids FreeBSD for bits
of his OS)

Why not use Linux ?

Linux (eg Redhat) has a number of significant
advantages as a desktop

a) It supports emulation better than FBSD.
b) It supports more peripherals printers etc

The problem with Linux is that the distros try to do a
lot of things for you, therefore it is more of a
headache to do things your way. FBSD gives you next to
nothing in the way of a window manager but its a great
base for  deep levels of customisation. Anything is
possible on Linux but if you really want to do it your
own way then FBSD is really great.

I have been using FBSD for a year as my main office
desktop and have no plans to revert to Windows,
although I will continue to use Windows on mobile
devices (laptop and PDA). This is the combination that
works in reality, you will need Windows if you want to
communicate freely with Windows users. If you can cut
them off (unlikely) then you can abandon all Windows
machines, but since most business users have a laptop
and desktop the best combo is one of each. 

I am just about to run a trial of half a dozen FBSD
boxes running this set up. If you (or anyone else
here) are interested please let me know.

My email is edwardtjoyce at gmail.com

Regards

Ed




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>    9. Re: inetd (Derrin Morton)
>   10. Re: inetd (Jonathan Belson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:56:17 +0100
> From: Derrin Morton <derrin at usa.net>
> To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
> Subject: inetd
> 
> Hi
> 
> Newbie here
> 
> Machine:  HP nx9005 (Business laptop), AMD Athlon 4
> 2400+ 1.8 GHZ 512MB 
> RAM, 100GB 5400RPM Disk
> BSD Details  (uname -a entry)
> FreeBSD  6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Thu Nov
> 3 09:36:13 UTC 
> 2005    root at x64.samsco.home/usr/obj/usr/src/GENERIC
>  i386
> 
> Overall goal - drop Windows XP Professional
> Five phases
>     Install FreeBSD RELEASE 6.0 in VMware - just get
> working and test 
> hardware compatibility  issues -> At this stage
>     Install FreeBSD RELEASE 6.0 in VMWare with X11
> and Portage selection
>     Install FreeBSD RELEASE 6.0 in a separate disk
> partition and dual 
> boot with Windows
>     Run Windows / FreeBSD in parallel and port /
> migrate data and 
> applications
>     Switch over to FreeBSD
> 
> Used the instructions to install the OS and followed
> the sysinstall 
> program - created the following inetd entries
> 
> ftp    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/ftpd    ftpd -l
> login    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/rlogind    
> rlogind
> ntalk    dgram    udp    wait    root   
> /usr/libexec/ntalkd    ntalkd
> shell    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/rshd    rshd
> ssh    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/sbin/sshd        sshd -i -6
> telnet    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/telnetd    
> telnetd
> 
> But the following mesage pops up on the console
> every 20 minutes or so
> inetd config : message [476] ssh/tcp: bind: Address
> already in use
> 
> Any ideas what this might be? How can detect the
> bind clash and 
> importantly get rid of this message?  Plus - where
> do I find message 
> details (i.e. 476 )
> 
> Apologies to wimp out this early, but I could spend
> the next two weeks 
> scrapping around the documentation and not find
> anything.  And after 
> attempting to use another Linux flavour , I really
> don't fancy that
> Thanks
> 
> Derrin
> 
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:27:49 +0100
> From: Derrin Morton <derrin at usa.net>
> To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
> Subject: [Fwd: inetd]
> 
> Forgot to include ifconfig details:
> 
> ifconfig entry
> lnc0:
> flags=108802<BROADAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT>
> mtu 1500
>         ether 00:0C.xx.xx.xx.a9
> plip0:
>
flags=108810<POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT>
> mtu 1500
> l0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu
> 16384
>        inet6 ::1prefixlen 128
>        inet fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
>        inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	inetd
> Date: 	Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:56:17 +0100
> From: 	Derrin Morton <derrin at usa.net>
> To: 	freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
> 
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Newbie here
> 
> Machine:  HP nx9005 (Business laptop), AMD Athlon 4
> 2400+ 1.8 GHZ 512MB 
> RAM, 100GB 5400RPM Disk
> BSD Details  (uname -a entry)
> FreeBSD  6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Thu Nov
> 3 09:36:13 UTC 
> 2005    root at x64.samsco.home/usr/obj/usr/src/GENERIC
>  i386
> 
> Overall goal - drop Windows XP Professional
> Five phases
>    Install FreeBSD RELEASE 6.0 in VMware - just get
> working and test 
> hardware compatibility  issues -> At this stage
>    Install FreeBSD RELEASE 6.0 in VMWare with X11
> and Portage selection
>    Install FreeBSD RELEASE 6.0 in a separate disk
> partition and dual 
> boot with Windows
>    Run Windows / FreeBSD in parallel and port /
> migrate data and 
> applications
>    Switch over to FreeBSD
> 
> Used the instructions to install the OS and followed
> the sysinstall 
> program - created the following inetd entries
> 
> ftp    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/ftpd    ftpd -l
> login    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/rlogind    
> rlogind
> ntalk    dgram    udp    wait    root   
> /usr/libexec/ntalkd    ntalkd
> shell    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/rshd    rshd
> ssh    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/sbin/sshd        sshd -i -6
> telnet    stream    tcp46    nowait    root   
> /usr/libexec/telnetd    
> telnetd
> 
> But the following mesage pops up on the console
> every 20 minutes or so
> inetd config : message [476] ssh/tcp: bind: Address
> already in use
> 
> Any ideas what this might be? How can detect the
> bind clash and 
> importantly get rid of this message?  Plus - where
> do I find message 
> details (i.e. 476 )
> 
> Apologies to wimp out this early, but I could spend
> the 
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