Freebsd-users digest, Vol 1 #1871 - 2 msgs

ed joyce edjoycearthurnet at yahoo.co.uk
Mon Aug 1 02:52:34 BST 2005


I am a new user of FreeBSD (from Nov 2004). I don't
feel that FreeBSD is dying, more likely that some
users  switch off and new ones switch on. At present I
have a BSD machine a Linux machine and Win 2k machine
all available. I only use the Linux machine when I
need portability as it is on a Laptop. The Win 2k
machine is mainly to check how websites I build look.
I have no plans to move away from FreeBSD as my main
desktop. Also Apple is BSD based and coming to Intel
so I can't see BSD going away. Also new BSD variants
such as PC-BSD are appearing.

The reason why I like personall like FreeBSD as a
desktop PC is that I like a very stripped down
desktop. Many BSD users use the command line but that
is not enough. I prefer to use TWM which I have
modified extensively to my own taste. With Linux  I
always seem to get pushed into using another desktop
eg Gnome or KDE. 

My guess is that BSD will never go away

Ed Joyce


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>    1. Re: BSD is dying (David Gerard)
>    2. Re: BSD is dying (Frank Shute)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:31:12 +1000
> From: David Gerard <fun at thingy.apana.org.au>
> To: freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: BSD is dying
> 
> Frank Shute (frank at esperance-linux.co.uk) [050730
> 00:29]:
> 
> > > Mmm. My main problem with FreeBSD as a desktop
> is that the Linux compat
> > > layer in 5.x seems notably less stable than the
> one on 4.x (speicifically,
> > > running Linux nightly builds of Mozilla).
> Linux-Mozilla also seems to hang
> > > weirdly at times on FreeBSD, which I wouldn't
> mention except it's happening
> > > for a friend I set onto FreeBSD as well. No idea
> where to start on getting
> > > these resolved, I'm a sysadmin not a programmer.
>  
> > Any reason why you're running the linux mozilla
> rather than the native
> > one? Because of plug-ins?
> 
> 
> An aversion to four-day compilations ;-)
> 
> Right now I'm desktopping from this Ubuntu laptop
> where even the wifi card
> Just Works. (And I'm already treating anything
> involving the Linux kernel
> as Satanic and corrupting. Icky, icky thing. The
> Debian package management
> and Synaptic Package Manager are remarkably nice,
> though, and FreeBSD so
> needs something like them.) So I'll probably
> experiment with nightlies and
> suchlike on this box.
> 
> But the linux-compat in FreeBSD is sucking and I
> think this is a problem.
> Didn't it used to have a reputation as a *better*
> Linux than Linux?
> 
> 
> > I've loaded 5.4 on my laptop but can't do anything
> with it until I've
> > got a working PCMCIA NIC :(
> > Anybody got one they want to get rid of? 10Mbs
> would do.
> 
> 
> I have a Xircom 10/100 here that works dandy with
> it, but it's a Type 3
> just so as not to require a dongle, so there's no
> way I'm giving it up ;-)
> We got it for a bit over ten quid on eBay, though,
> so have a look around.
> 
> 
> - d.
> 
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> Message: 2
> From: "Frank Shute" <frank at esperance-linux.co.uk>
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:56:38 +0100
> To: David Gerard <fun at thingy.apana.org.au>
> Cc: FreeBSD UK <freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org>
> Subject: Re: BSD is dying
> Reply-To: Frank Shute <frank at esperance-linux.co.uk>
> 
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 10:31:12AM +1000, David
> Gerard wrote:
> >
> > Frank Shute (frank at esperance-linux.co.uk) [050730
> 00:29]:
> > 
> > > > Mmm. My main problem with FreeBSD as a desktop
> is that the Linux compat
> > > > layer in 5.x seems notably less stable than
> the one on 4.x (speicifically,
> > > > running Linux nightly builds of Mozilla).
> Linux-Mozilla also seems to hang
> > > > weirdly at times on FreeBSD, which I wouldn't
> mention except it's happening
> > > > for a friend I set onto FreeBSD as well. No
> idea where to start on getting
> > > > these resolved, I'm a sysadmin not a
> programmer.
> >  
> > > Any reason why you're running the linux mozilla
> rather than the native
> > > one? Because of plug-ins?
> > 
> > 
> > An aversion to four-day compilations ;-)
> 
> I've got slow machines here (300MHz) and I just
> leave compilation jobs
> like that to run overnight.
> 
> > 
> > Right now I'm desktopping from this Ubuntu laptop
> where even the wifi card
> > Just Works. (And I'm already treating anything
> involving the Linux kernel
> > as Satanic and corrupting. Icky, icky thing. The
> Debian package management
> > and Synaptic Package Manager are remarkably nice,
> though, and FreeBSD so
> > needs something like them.) So I'll probably
> experiment with nightlies and
> > suchlike on this box.
> > 
> > But the linux-compat in FreeBSD is sucking and I
> think this is a problem.
> > Didn't it used to have a reputation as a *better*
> Linux than Linux?
> 
> If you're using a large package like linux mozilla
> and your build
> environment isn't exactly the same as the machine
> the package was
> built on, then I suspect the likelihood is that it
> will work less than
> optimally. I'd urge you to compile and then see if
> linux-compat still
> sucks. I always use (after a cvsup):
> 
> # portupgrade -vrR mozilla
> 
> (although I actually run Firefox).
> 
> I gave up on packages years ago after spending many
> an hour fighting
> the RedHat package manager.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > I've loaded 5.4 on my laptop but can't do
> anything with it until I've
> > > got a working PCMCIA NIC :(
> > > Anybody got one they want to get rid of? 10Mbs
> would do.
> > 
> > 
> > I have a Xircom 10/100 here that works dandy with
> it, but it's a Type 3
> > just so as not to require a dongle, so there's no
> way I'm giving it up ;-)
> > We got it for a bit over ten quid on eBay, though,
> so have a look around.
> > 
> 
> Fair enough :) I think I'm making progress.
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Frank 
> 
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