V.Location

Simon Clayton Simon at reftech.co.uk
Fri Jul 14 11:59:16 BST 2000


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Tony,

You wrote
Hi Simon, I felt the need to mention in all probability without the little
gathering in Newcastle, manchester, Glasgow and other places over the last
few years, that can in the eyes of some be described as a piss up, the
meeting in OXFORD would perhaps have not taken place.
It takes many a muckle to make a mackle.

My comments were not intended in any way as criticism, just observations
from someone new to the group.  I realise that the group is growing and
evolving, it's just that the whole "friendlyness" that is obvious within the
group can seem like a click of friends

You also wrote
As you say, and I agree with you it can be improved on, are you willing to
help ?

I will try my best, let me know what I could do.

Simon
  -----Original Message-----
  From: jimsinn007 [mailto:jimsinn007 at netscapeonline.co.uk]
  Sent: 14 July 2000 10:48
  To: Simon Clayton; freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org
  Subject: V.Location


  </snip>

  I agree totally - when I first joined this list I got two impressions

  1.  Nothing much happens on it

  2.  The Newcastle meet was a bunch of mates going for a piss up!

  I'm sure some people will disagree but that is what I thought.  When
  the talk started of the Oxford meet I started to get more interested
  as it sounded a whole level more professional.

  I also think that -questions is far too busy for an average IT
  professional, there are a LOT of mails on that list and I actually
  stayed subscribed for a couple of months but then got bored with
  the questions which had no relevance to me.  This is an eternal
  problem, when I used to read the Novell Instructors forum you got a
  lot of people asking stupid questions which again meant that I stopped
  reading the list.

  My point is that firstly the UKUG list is valid and valuable but IMHO
  if it gets too busy people will unsubscribe - therefore, we also need
  to have a UKUG-questions list where we can start a more active UK
  community.

  Just my two penneth!

  Simon Clayton

  Hi Simon, I felt the need to mention in all probability without the little
gathering in Newcastle, manchester, Glasgow and other places over the last
few years, that can in the eyes of some be described as a piss up, the
meeting in OXFORD would perhaps have not taken place.
  It takes many a muckle to make a mackle.

  Do not be taken in by the
  snip********
  the talk started of the Oxford meet I started to get more interested
  as it sounded a whole level more professional.
  You would no doubt rush out to buy a loaf of Hovis bread as it looked more
Healthy. (I hope not)
  The point is quite simple , this list has been set up on a shoe string
budget, it is hosted @ manchester , its aim was to help. It has grown alot
over the last few years and the topics covered  have widened. The logical
next step is to have or ask for regional co-ordinators who will help with
input , meetings and promotional events.

  snip.
  My point is that firstly the UKUG list is valid and valuable but IMHO
  if it gets too busy people will unsubscribe - therefore, we also need
  to have a UKUG-questions list where we can start a more active UK
  community.

  As you say, and I agree with you it can be improved on, are you willing to
help ?
  Tony Watson : Newcastle



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  size=3D2>---</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
size=3D2>--Original=20
  Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> jimsinn007=20
  [mailto:jimsinn007 at netscapeonline.co.uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 July 2000=20
  10:48<BR><B>To:</B> Simon Clayton;=20
  freebsd-users at uk.freebsd.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  V.Location<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&lt;/snip&gt;<BR><BR>I agree totally =
- when I=20
  first joined this list I got two impressions<BR><BR>1.&nbsp; Nothing =
much=20
  happens on it<BR><BR>2.&nbsp; The Newcastle meet was a bunch of mates =
going=20
  for a piss up!<BR><BR>I'm sure some people will disagree but that is =
what I=20
  thought.&nbsp; When<BR>the talk started of the Oxford meet I started =
to get=20
  more interested<BR>as it sounded a whole level more =
professional.<BR><BR>I=20
  also think that -questions is far too busy for an average IT =
<BR>professional,=20
  there are a LOT of mails on that list and I actually<BR>stayed =
subscribed for=20
  a couple of months but then got bored with<BR>the questions which had =
no=20
  relevance to me.&nbsp; This is an eternal <BR>problem, when I used to =
read the=20
  Novell Instructors forum you got a<BR>lot of people asking stupid =
questions=20
  which again meant that I stopped<BR>reading the list.<BR><BR>My point =
is that=20
  firstly the UKUG list is valid and valuable but IMHO<BR>if it gets too =
busy=20
  people will unsubscribe - therefore, we also need <BR>to have a =
UKUG-questions=20
  list where we can start a more active UK <BR>community.<BR><BR>Just my =
two=20
  penneth!<BR><BR>Simon Clayton<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Simon, I felt the need to mention =
in all=20
  probability without the little gathering in Newcastle, manchester, =
Glasgow and=20
  other places over the last few years, that can in the eyes of some be=20
  described as a piss up, the meeting in OXFORD would perhaps have not =
taken=20
  place.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It&nbsp;takes many a muckle to make a =

  mackle.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do not be taken in by =
the&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>snip********</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the talk started of the Oxford meet I =
started to=20
  get more interested<BR>as it sounded a whole level more =
professional.<BR>You=20
  would no doubt rush out to buy a loaf of Hovis bread as it looked more =

  Healthy. (I hope not)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The point is quite simple , this list =
has been=20
  set up on a shoe string budget, it is hosted @ manchester , its aim =
was to=20
  help. It has grown alot over the last few years and the topics =
covered&nbsp;=20
  have widened. The logical next step is to have or ask for regional=20
  co-ordinators who will help with input , meetings and promotional=20
  events.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>snip.<BR>My point is that firstly the =
UKUG list=20
  is valid and valuable but IMHO<BR>if it gets too busy people will =
unsubscribe=20
  - therefore, we also need <BR>to have a UKUG-questions list where we =
can start=20
  a more active UK <BR>community.<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As you say, and I agree with you it =
can be=20
  improved on, are you willing to help ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tony Watson&nbsp;:=20
Newcastle<BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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