FreeBSD jobs

Mike Bristow mike at
Wed Jul 5 10:58:18 BST 2000

On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 05:57:02PM +0100, Paul Civati wrote:
> Mark Ovens <mark at> wrote:
> > > > Type FreeBSD into
> > > Be warned, a lot of these will be Demon and other assorted ISPs.
> > 
> > Why does that warrant a warning? Are ISP's crap employers or is it
> > just that the ISP business is a bit, erm, unstable at the moment.
> Interesting work, but unfortunately for the most part crap employers.

Better than they were (in at least one case); the pay is now much
more reasonable, (but there's more beurocracy about).  And every
bit of managment above the techies has changed since your days in
Demon, which also helps.

Also, you end up working with lots of geeks of similar mind, which
is IMV one of the things that makes the job so nice; it's great to
be able to talk to lots of people about TCP stack tuning/icky perl
internals _and have them understand what you're talking about_!

One other thing worth mentioning is that Demon at least have a 
very useful entry level position which you don't need too much 
in the way of experience to get into (which makes it great for
people who know UNIX through muckin' about with linux/Xbsd/whatever
at home but haven't got a CompSci BSc or previous experience and
can't get a geekery position elsewhere) that still has great
prospects to move in to the network/SA/development areas (I started
off in it, Tim Preston started off in it [ I think; he certainly
worked there ]).  

It seems that Those With Clue stay there at most 6 or 7 months
before moving on to better things (either internally or externally)
while Those Without stay or leave to do something similar.

I understand that at least one other ISP has similar positions; I
don't know how common positions like that are generally at the
moment as I'm Just Not Looking for them :-)

[ feel free to yell at me if more info is wanted; I'll shut up
  now ]

Mike Bristow, seebitwopie  

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