On 1 Sep 99, at 1:24, Brian Somers wrote: > Well, the problem's with permissions rather than anything to do with > the ``allow users'' command - bash is complaining here. Grrr. Self Lart time, there were two 'network' entries in /etc/group , all works fine now. Rich -- rich at dynamite.org rich at FreeBSD.org.uk If that's what they call normal, I'd rather be insane